2013 Canadian Grand Prix *** Spoilers ***

Hi to all F1 Fans..

2013 CANADIAN GRAND PRIX (07 – 09 JUNE)

This weekend's race is at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal, Canada - Host of the 43rd Canadian Grand Prix.

CIRCUIT DATA for CIRCUIT GILLES-VILLENEUVE
Length of lap: 4.361km
Lap record: 1:13.622 (Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 2004)
Start line/finish line offset: 0.000km
Total number of race laps: 70
Total race distance: 305.270km
Pitlane speed limits: 60km/h during practice. 100km/h during qualifying and the race

Changes to the circuit since 2012

► Gravel and grass around the outside of turn eight and the apex of turn nine has been replaced with asphalt.
► A ‘speed bump’ approximately 50mm high and 500mm wide has been installed parallel to the track edge on the driver’s left before the apex kerb in turn nine (around the outside of turn eight). Another has been installed to the driver’s left after the apex kerb in turn 14.
► Additional guardrail posts have been installed in places where the spacing between them was greater than 2m.

DRS Zone

► There will be a two DRS zones in Canada with a single detection point, 110m after T9. Activation One is 55m before T12 (Casino Straight), Activation Two is 70 after T14.

F1 Preview (2012 Pole Lap onboard Sebastian Vettel):





GP4 Preview (Onboard with Mark Webber):





Codies F1 2012 style:





Circuit map:





Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 05:15PM by hasbriale.

Big News this weekend:

Hamilton, Mercedes may be banned from F1 over `secret` tyre test at Barcelona

London: Formula One ace Lewis Hamilton and his Mercedes team could reportedly be banned from racing after the governing body decided to hold a hearing into their secret tyre test.

The `secret` session, arranged by tyre supplier Pirelli, only came to light after a Mercedes team member mentioned it in a technical meeting before the Monte Carlo race.

Although the FIA had announced that there would be no investigation into the circumstances of an earlier secret tyre test by Ferrari because they used a two-year-old car for the procedure, however an inquiry was carried out into the circumstances of the test by Mercedes after Ferrari and world champions Red Bull lodged a protest.

According to a FIA statement, the conditions of the Mercedes testing may constitute a breach of the applicable FIA rules, adding that the FIA International Tribunal is called upon to make a decision in compliance with the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules.

The investigation and subsequent hearing could take up to 45 days.

Although rival teams claim that Mercedes, who wore out their tyres quicker, had gained an advantage from the test, however, Mercedes have denied that they broke the rules and claimed that it was a Pirelli -organised test.

Report by ANI..

In Other news: Alexander Rossi handed Caterham CT03 for Canadian FP1 opportunity!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 04:50PM by hasbriale.

Neither Mercedes nor Hamilton will be banned. Bernie wouldn't let them - it would be a commercial disaster if FOM allowed the FIA to ban them. The absolute worst that will happen is what happened with McLaren in 2007 (thrown out of the constructors championship), and to be fair, unless it's seen as staggeringly unsporting and deliberate, it's not as bad as that.

They'll be heavily fined and that will be that.

Still, I hadn't realised that the drivers had worn plain helmets - I'm not buying Ross Brawn's excuse that that was to hide the drivers identity from the media (the media wouldn't be allowed in anyway if it was a private test) and that puts a rather different spin on matters - not that I have any doubt that both Mercedes and their drivers gained plenty over the test anyway.

The problem is, you can't even this up. You can't give each of the other teams 1000km of testing unless Mercedes and Pirelli both admit to have been lying all along and that Mercedes knew exactly which tyres were being tested (and they certainly wouldn't have known and that isn't even up for debate), but likewise you couldn't have every team testing for 1000km, Mercedes included, as Mercedes will still have benefitted. The only way to get close is to offer each team the same opportunity to test, with the same tyres Mercedes used with whatever restrictions Mercedes had.

I suppose it would be punishment to Mercedes if all of the other teams were offered an open test, but I can see the Mercedes management threatening to pull out of F1 at the earliest opportunity if that were the case (genuine threat or not), and I go back to my first sentence then - Bernie would be having kittens.

It SHOULD be a black and white verdict that they go unpunished IMHO.

If there is a rule that states Pirelli are allowed to call upon an individual team at THEIR discretion, as is believed, then they are able to. Simple. Why put such a clause in the rules. They can't be punished for that at all.

Ferrari went unnoticed, abeit with a 2 year old car. So that means the actual test procedure itself is LEGAL and not sneaky at all if Pirelli call for it. But if the team initiated it, or did the test on their own, then that's against the rules.

Where the rules are grey is whether they were allowed to use the latest car.

My guess is that the loophole here whereby Pirelli can request a 1000km test would override the requirement of there needing to be a 2 year old car.

The fact Pirelli are saying the tyres tested were of unspecified type to the team is huge. If they said they were 2013 tyres, then yes. They are in the wrong. But they aren't of any compound to do with the current season they claim, and what reason would Pirelli have to lie and favour Mercedes?

If they were for 2015 spec, then they are technically using a 2 year old car, aren't they?

I've heard reports Pirelli say they were for a 2014 spec, but that too is a totally different ball game. So in theory, Mercedes were working with a year old car, on various different tyres that had nothing to do with the current car spec or season.

Ross Brawn isn't a stupid guy, but a master of working to loopholes and grey areas. And if the alleged FIA were indeed informed, as the rules state, then they are OK.

Teams are going nuts because they wish they had been approached instead. Pirelli said they had. I've heard Force India were asked but declined. I don't hear the likes of Williams or Force India causing a stir. And why would Pirelli favour one team over another? Especially a German team. They're a multinational company based in Italy.

So testing of any formed is banned, only straight line type? In which case, what if a team did a demo run on a new track in Russia for PR purposes on, say, Avon tyres? Or what if Mercedes turned their trump card in and called it a studio shoot day or whatever they are allowed to. Is that not effectively the same? If they had 2013 spec tyres, its a test. With unknown tyres, theres no proper benchmark.

I really hope they don't get punished, because its just a very clever exploitation of the rules, which is brilliant. If anyone should be punished its Pirelli. If a stranger offered some kid random sweets, and lured them away, the stranger is the one commonly seen as in the wrong. Pirelli lured Mercedes away and fed them mystery sweeties. Its hardly Mercedes to blame.

Don't forget, Ferrari won in China AND Spain just around the test they did at the end of April. I wonder if they tested 2013 spec tyres, or unspecified tyres like Mercedes? Don't hear much complaints there.


Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 06/08/2013 01:26AM by danm.

For me this is no way close to being as bad as what Mclaren done when they used plans for the Ferrari and mclaren did not get banned.

I think they will get a fine and lose all their points for the year, just like what happened to Mclaren.

I am also sure that had RBR been asked to do the test they would have done.

One of three are not telling the truth over this test. Merc's story sort of keeps changing which is a worry. But I do think Pirelli have misled them by saying all the teams were asked. I also think the FIA have not been clear in what they have been saying.

But if you ban Merc then you have to ban Pirelli as they both broke the rules. Merc are in breach of the rules and Pirelli their contract.

#BOTTAS

what a silly mistake from McLaren and Button. if everyone who was looking at live timing knew that he couldnt have a final lap in Q2 if he didnt push a little how can the race engineer miss that??

Fantastic drive from Bottas today, i think he is race winning material for a future. Until now he raced well, i found him as a very regular driver, finishing between 12th and 15th every race (and showing that the car he drives cant go further than that). Also i think Williams has a chronical problem with understanding their cars, because when everything looks to be in his place they can be quick. they made it with maldonado in barcelona 2012 and today with bottas. i hope they improve with the new regs otherwise i fear they´re following Tyrrell´s road

What, selling out to Craig Pollock and BAT?

danm Wrote:
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> It SHOULD be a black and white verdict that they
> go unpunished IMHO.
>
> If there is a rule that states Pirelli are allowed
> to call upon an individual team at THEIR
> discretion, as is believed, then they are able to.
> Simple. Why put such a clause in the rules. They
> can't be punished for that at all.
>
> Ferrari went unnoticed, abeit with a 2 year old
> car. So that means the actual test procedure
> itself is LEGAL and not sneaky at all if Pirelli
> call for it. But if the team initiated it, or did
> the test on their own, then that's against the
> rules.
>
> Where the rules are grey is whether they were
> allowed to use the latest car.
>
> My guess is that the loophole here whereby Pirelli
> can request a 1000km test would override the
> requirement of there needing to be a 2 year old
> car.
>
> The fact Pirelli are saying the tyres tested were
> of unspecified type to the team is huge. If they
> said they were 2013 tyres, then yes. They are in
> the wrong. But they aren't of any compound to do
> with the current season they claim, and what
> reason would Pirelli have to lie and favour
> Mercedes?
>
> If they were for 2015 spec, then they are
> technically using a 2 year old car, aren't they?
>
> I've heard reports Pirelli say they were for a
> 2014 spec, but that too is a totally different
> ball game. So in theory, Mercedes were working
> with a year old car, on various different tyres
> that had nothing to do with the current car spec
> or season.
>
> Ross Brawn isn't a stupid guy, but a master of
> working to loopholes and grey areas. And if the
> alleged FIA were indeed informed, as the rules
> state, then they are OK.
>
> Teams are going nuts because they wish they had
> been approached instead. Pirelli said they had.
> I've heard Force India were asked but declined. I
> don't hear the likes of Williams or Force India
> causing a stir. And why would Pirelli favour one
> team over another? Especially a German team.
> They're a multinational company based in Italy.
>
> So testing of any formed is banned, only straight
> line type? In which case, what if a team did a
> demo run on a new track in Russia for PR purposes
> on, say, Avon tyres? Or what if Mercedes turned
> their trump card in and called it a studio shoot
> day or whatever they are allowed to. Is that not
> effectively the same? If they had 2013 spec tyres,
> its a test. With unknown tyres, theres no proper
> benchmark.
>
> I really hope they don't get punished, because its
> just a very clever exploitation of the rules,
> which is brilliant. If anyone should be punished
> its Pirelli. If a stranger offered some kid random
> sweets, and lured them away, the stranger is the
> one commonly seen as in the wrong. Pirelli lured
> Mercedes away and fed them mystery sweeties. Its
> hardly Mercedes to blame.
>
> Don't forget, Ferrari won in China AND Spain just
> around the test they did at the end of April. I
> wonder if they tested 2013 spec tyres, or
> unspecified tyres like Mercedes? Don't hear much
> complaints there.


Your whole text is pointless because of this simple fact:

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Testing can only take place at FIA-approved sites and, ahead of a session, teams must inform the governing body of their schedule so that an observer can be appointed if deemed necessary.

And what comes to "unspecified tyres like Mercedes had":

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Although Rosberg refused to comment on speculation that both he and Hamilton wore 'anonymous' helmets during the test, the German was more forthcoming on its purpose but raised plenty of eyebrows after claiming he knew what type of tyres were deployed on his W04. "Of course, I was aware of what their ideas were and what they were testing because I needed to know that to be able to pinpoint for them what was going on," he said.

Oh and age of car is not related to tyres. Only to actual year that we're living in.

Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

Great performance so far from Bottas - especially given it seems like he's done nothing all season! Hope he can convert it into some kind of race result.
Apart from that - there were no real surprises for me. Lotus and Force India were disappointing.

Hoping the weather conditions are gonna be the same for the race - that would be perfect.

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I see IWE has resumed his eternal quest to wind people up. Keep at it IWE. Trolling is not an easy skill to master. You'll get it one day.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

Morbid Wrote:
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> I see IWE has resumed his eternal quest to wind
> people up. Keep at it IWE. Trolling is not an easy
> skill to master. You'll get it one day.


Since when pointing out facts is troling..?

Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

Pointing out fact isn't trolling. Distorting the sh!t out of them is!

1) If age is not related to tyres, then why didn't all teams do tyre testing with older cars, when the testing was free? Surely, that would have been a huge savings, especially for a team like Ferrari. They did so much testing with Bridgestone, that MS practically lived on the test tracks. If they had the option of just using the newer more expensive machinery when components were to be tested, then why not? Yet, they didn't... I wonder why? And if age has no relevance, why are you not wailing about the Ferrari/Pirelli test? That is at least as bad then, by your logic!

2) The comment about unspecified tyres is taken out of context. From the original article we can see, that it "appears" to be in contradiction to what Brawn said earlier. But when you look at the quote, which you left out, you can see there is NO contradiction. That Pirelli asked the drivers to report on longevity, corner stability, traction or whatever, does not contradict what Brawn said, which was that they where given anonymous tyres codes, and not told the Pirelli conclusions. The fact that this "appears" to be a contradiction is only so, because the journalist knows f@ck-all about F1 testing and development. What tyre company in their right mind, would host a tyre test, and not ask the drivers for feedback. It would be madness! But of course, you ignore all that.

What also appears in that article is that Rosberg told Vettel a week after the test at Monaco. Yeah, like if they had been up to sneaky business with incognito helmets, then Rosberg of course would rush off to tell the reigning champion!

3) Pointing out that section in the sporting code is a biased presentation of the truth. The legal problem is, that Pirelli has a contract, where it is stipulated that they can do in-season testing under certain conditions. Pirelli hold that these conditions were met. If this is true, then the true problem here is that the FIA lawyers don't seem to be able to produce rules that do not contradict themselves. This is not a problem for Pirelli/Ferrari/Mercedes. This is a problem for the FIA. But of course, why would you want to mention that? It destroys your entire MO of presenting the world in black/white contrast and then p!ssing people in the face with it!

Seriously... you signed up here 8 years ago, and you talk like you just picked up the sport this season. I doubt it's by accident. You are just trying to wind people up so you can get a conflict going. You know better. You know way better. You just don't give a sh!t.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2013 03:25PM by Morbid.

And if anyone needs more information, then read this article, it's a decent presentation:

Testgate explained!

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

Morbid Wrote:
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> Lots of blaablaablaablaa...


[Here used to be answer to the Morbid's bullshit]



And actually I registered here already over 9 years ago under different nickname and have been following the sport (and FIA's unclear rules) for nearly twice as long time.

Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2013 06:40PM by IWE.

Lots of text. Even a picture. Yet you deftly avoid commenting on or even considering any of the points I made. You underlined and presented in caps lock information that I already provided, like it was some earth-shattering revelation (and even that is slightly askew from the facts that are known). Really...?

You don't care what I wrote. What's important is that you are in opposition! You just want the fight. Thanks for proving my point in such a stealthy way.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2013 06:08PM by Morbid.

Morbid Wrote:
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> Lots of text. Even a picture. Yet you deftly avoid
> commenting on or even considering any of the
> points I made. You underlined and presented in
> caps lock information that I already provided,
> like it was some earth-shattering revelation (and
> even that is slightly askew from the facts that
> are known). Really...?
>
> You don't care what I wrote. What's important is
> that you are in opposition! You just want the
> fight. Thanks for proving my point in such a
> stealthy way.


More like you don't care what I originally wrote as your reaction was complete nonsense and you are trying to build up a fight out of nothing.

Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2013 06:36PM by IWE.

That's right... deflect it all unto me. Don't answer any of the points I made. Just paint me black.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

No Eddie don't interview Kai Ebel PUNCH HIM PLEASE

The Real Story of the Race was that the Renault's fell apart and the Ferrari's didn't.
Rosberg headed for the sliproad and retired, probably because of Nicotin starvation they have still not given him a helmet with a little hole in it.

Back on planet Earth, children, we have a GP to discuss.

This is my favourite GP so I hope we get a nice race.

Heart says Alonso, head says Vettel.


Mclaren won't do anything, Merc will chew the tyres up. Grosjean will crash.